Aquinas has the edge, bringing God onto his side.
Plato reels back, and begins to 'realise'. Plato, is, at, a disadvantage, he ,is ,from, a time of 'Pan-Theism', although, his natural 'cynicism', forces him onwards...Aquinas has used the Greek arguments against the Greeks, Plato must make an apology...
We re-join the final round...
The Apology of Socrates is Plato's version of the speech given by Socrates as he defends himself against the charges of "corrupting the young, and by not believing in the gods in whom the city believes, but in other daimonia that are novel" (24b). "Apology" here has its earlier meaning (now usually expressed by the word "apologia") of speaking in defense of a cause or of one's beliefs or actions (from the Greek απολογία).
Xenophon, who wrote his own Apology of Socrates, indicates that a number of writers had published accounts of Socrates' defense. According to one prominent scholar, "Writing designed to clear Socrates' name was doubtless a particular feature of the decade or so following 399 BC...."[1] Many scholars guess that Plato's Apology was one of the first, if not the very first, dialogues Plato wrote, though there is little if any hard evidence.[2] Plato's Apology is commonly regarded as the most reliable source of information about the historical Socrates.[3]
Except for two brief exchanges with Meletus (at 24d-25d and 26b-27d), where the dialogue is written in dramatic form, the text is written in the first person from Socrates' point of view, as though it were Socrates' actual speech at the trial. During the course of the speech, Socrates twice mentions Plato as being present (at 34a and 38b). There is, however, no real way of knowing how closely Socrates' words in the Apology match those of Socrates at the actual trial, even if it was Plato's intention to be accurate in this respect. One contemporary criticism of Plato's Apology is perhaps implied by the opening paragraphs of Xenophon's Apology, assuming that the former antedated the latter; Xenophon remarks that previous writers had failed to make clear the reason for Socrates' boastful talk (megalēgoria) in the face of the death penalty. Xenophon's account disagrees in some other respects with the details of Plato's Apology, but he nowhere explicitly claims it to be inaccurate
Aquinas bursts out laughing! The 'Multiplicity', of the Greek Pantheism...is it's downfall....
The Referee intevenes, calls 'Time-Out!'
looking straight at YOU,[THE READER], He points out the Psychologic implications, of the 'Gods', as being , 'Mani-festations', of the human Psyche, ie, 'archetypal phenomena', outside the realm of direct-knowledge,
having studied various examples over many years, Time[Cronos, with root etymol, linking directly to 'crone',]
Space[Stellar], and Dimension, can be seen from a 'different perspective!', thus , interpretation , and, ultimately, understanding!, can be 'objectively subjectified!, OR CONVERSELY, subjectively objectified!,
What is the common link? Well, thats for you to decide! and to do that, you must first understand your-self!
and to do that? you must BE your-self. Study guides are available. The 'Type problem', discussed by Jung and Edinger, is a start point , after that, everything, becomes subject to your own subjectivity.
Plato loses! the referees' decision, is final.[no-one has wanted to play along with me, so I'm ending the game]
The Judges are in agreement, we drop in on their conversation;
Lennon-Ono; 'Well, I could not figure out why they wanted to argue anyway, I mean, what's the point? you know..nothing is real....'
Dodd;, 'How tickled I am!, But I'm more of a Sartre person myself, I exist, and that's all I know, I mean, come on, Descartes got it right....'
Stallone;, 'Sartre! there you go again, you English clown, with the 'existential' thing, Drrrrr, Come on!, what did France ever do for education? caused revolutions, guillotines, threw sheep into docks,.... come on, Drrr,
democracy! that's the only the answer! No Man is an Island, you know? we need each other, that goes
without saying... Now Emerson! there was a philosopher...
Ra ;; 'So let me get this straight, you, referee, are saying I am not a god? that I am only an , 'archetype?',
stupid mortal! I will vent my wrath on thee!'
Judith;, Ra! deal with it! you are an archetype! you schmuck! you are not a 'god' at all! Jeesh! Moses was right!, apart from those 40 years wandering, maybes?, COME ON! we wandered! we wandered, did we complain? did We?, HELLO! I'M TALKING HERE!
Studs;, Judy, Judy, what? are you looking for a Punch , here? quieten down, for God's sake! we all hear you,
it's plain to see, Aquinas has God on his side, he could not lose! it's a no-brainer .
[Studs finishes his cigar, and takes a long drink of his Martini]
Lennon-Ono; Hey Clown! haha!, that reminds me of me old mate Macca! come to think of it, it reminds me of me, hey! have we met before? you Scouse comedian?...
Dodd; 'Yes, young man, we met long ago, you kept my record off the top spot, with your mop-top mates..you scruffy daft scouser!
Just because I played in Shakespearian dramas, had hit records, entertained generations of people with my, 'laughter show', and successfully won a court case, against the inland revenue!...and I keep on working!
Well, Happiness, Happiness, the greatest gift that we possess....
Judith; YOU WHAT? you won a court case againt the taxman? tell me more......
And so, we end the debate here, as the Judges carry on arguing, we hear gentle music in the background,Carlos Santana is playing 'Albatross', as the next group of Judges arrive for the next debate..
Marx V Spinoza......later maybe....
The Beatles: bigger than Ken Dodd – but only just
They called them the Swinging Sixties, so it comes as no surprise that there are four Beatles singles in the top five in a new compilation of the best-selling singles of the decade.
But what song is up there at No 3 with the Fab Four? Could it be "Not Fade Away", the first big hit for The Rolling Stones? Or "River Deep, Mountain High", which launched the fabulous career of Tina Turner? Or "Purple Haze", or "Whiter Shade of Pale", or "You'll Never walk Alone", by Gerry and the Pacemakers, which became the anthem of Liverpool FC? Or perhaps "Flowers in the Rain" by The Move, the first record to be played on Radio 1, by the DJ Tony Blackburn, when the station was launched in 1967.
Actually, none of the above even made the Top 20. In at No 3 is "Tears" by Ken Dodd, a comedian best remembered for his Diddy Men, his tickling stick, and his aversion to paying tax.
Genius! takes many forms,
One is this Noble and Fantastic person,
Right On !
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